it had to do in places, for instance, out of the state of iowa, how far the state of nevada. ron paul did not win either state, and yet, there were a lot of delegates that were supposed to go to romney, that ended up having ron paul supporters fill that slot. shouldn't the romney folks feel as if delegates who are assigned to him, be forced to vote for him, at least on the first ballot? >> chuck, you gave a remarkably good run down on some major aspects of the rules battle, but in this respect, you didn't get it quite right. what was at issue was not whether or not candidates got the delegate votes that they would win in a primary, but whether or not a presidential candidate could disallow and remove delegates that they didn't like. there was a big uproar over this. and there was no question, ever, that delegate votes won in a primary wouldn't be cast as allocated by state law. >> let me stop you here. you, specifically say "primary." you believe it's different for caucus states? >> well, in a caucus situation, the people are actually elected as delegates, in some way, under